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Brent Spiner in Blackpool, May 1977  Sunday Part 2

Hi, there.

Morning, Mr Spiner

Morning.

You said yesterday you were going to be doing a play later this summer.

Right.

How does the rehearsal and the preparation for a stage role differ from a film or TV role, and which do you prefer doing.

Hmm, that’s a tough one. I, er, well, the rehearsal process is completely different because you rehearse the same piece for five weeks and then you hold previews for a month before the show actually opens on the stage. In film you do different work every day, and er there’s no rehearsal. You rehearse the scene and then you shoot it immediately, er as far as which I prefer, I don’t know, I like them all, I love film, I really do I mean, I think every serious actor, certainly when I was a kid, the ideal was you didn’t consider yourself serious unless you went on stage, and so I went to New York first and did ten years on stage before I went to California. But I do love the whole experience of making a film. I love being on the film set - it really er really helps too if you’re an actor er they don’t hamper you on stage er you know you’re just one of the crew but er in film they treat you like, you know, you’re gold, and as a spoilt human being I do like that. Er, but I do I like the experience, I like the camera, I like film, I’m in love with movies and always have been. It’s just, er I want to keep returning to the stage because I’d like my obituary one day to read “stage, screen and television”, and in order for that to happen I have to go to the stage. Thanks. Hi!

Good afternoon.

Good afternoon.

You’re obviously a very talented person, you act, you sing, you dance. Is there any talent you have that we do not yet know about?

Do I have any talents that I don’t know about! I worked as a mime, until I realised that all the world hates a mime. What else can I do? I play guitar, I play a very bad guitar - well, I play all the instruments that I played on the show - you know, I play the violin, I play guitar, obou, flute, harp, um, I said I would be lying, right? No, I play guitar, that’s all I play. Er, any other talents, Jack (to Jackie Edwards) any other talents that I have? No? You don’t think I have any period, right! That’s fair, I guess. No, all the talents that I have you know about, unless I haven’t discovered them yet, but you never know. Hi.

Hallo, Brent. I’ve two questions. Firstly, have you read any good books lately.

Um...

Should I say that again?

No, shall I say it? Have you read any good books lately? I er um, well I’ve read a few good books lately. I don't read fiction. Um, I don't know why, I stopped reading fiction about three years ago when I turned thirty! - I have er ah, you know, I think he’s jumped something and gone mad here - actually, I haven’t read fiction in a long time. I used to read a lot of fiction then I went off it because I started reading biography which is eminently more interesting, I think real people are always more interesting than fictional people, but I just read a biography that’s wonderful - its the David Lean biography that Kevin Brownlow wrote. Incredible. If you’ve any interest in movies and great directors - David Lean, one of the great directors, the book is about that thick but it’s beautifully written, one of the best biographies ever written. Kevin Brownlow is a master writing about film, and this is a great, great book.

And second question, what’s your worst habit?

My worst habit? Ouch, you know, probably my worst habit, and it's more than a habit really, it's an obsession, is er - I pause too often (demonstrates a pause) but there’s a point to that actually, when somebody asks me if I would do something with them, or go somewhere, or have dinner or join them someplace, I always say 'maybe' and er all my friends have come to know that when I say ‘maybe’ that means ‘no’, and I just can't say ‘no’ and I simply say ‘maybe’ all the time. I just can’t hit it. Maybe. Yes?

Hi Brent.

Hi.

I have a letter for you, but before I do, can I just comment on the classical guitar, I teach classical guitar.

Oh, you do?

I was very impressed with the way you played ** very nice.

Thank you very much. - I wrote that tune, you know!

I was fascinated the way you portrayed the character of Data ** The high spot for me was the episode of Masks.

Ah

It seemed as if it was acting within acting ** your body language, everything that you did ** I was absolutely fascinated about this.

Thank you. I’m particularly pleased to hear you say that because er, if you know the episode of Masks - ah - I really on the level - some things I didn’t feel so good about because I had no kind of preparation. Usually, the episodes ware broken up. You would get one episode that features me, and then it would be Patrick, and then it would be Jonathan, and then Gates, and another one with me, then Patrick, and it would work like that. It turned out, the episode of Masks, the previous episode was Thine Own Self, which was the sort of medieval Frankenstein that we did, and er it was only me, everybody else, on one day we did an Observation Lounge scene and the rest of the week it was me. And as we got to the end of the episode Thine Own Self I was so exhausted er and I thought ‘Oh, thank goodness, it’ll be somebody else’s show next and I can relax and the episode arrived and it was Masks where I had to play six characters or something, and I called Jeri Taylor, the producer, and I said ‘Jeri, look, how can you do this? This is absolutely an on-its-own show - when am I supposed to prepare, where will I find these characters?’ and she said - the thing that I love to hear producers say - ‘Oh, don’t worry, we trust you, you’ll come up with something’, you know, well literally, it came from hunger because I was - I don’t know where it was coming from - I was just trying anything I could to get through the day, but er the episode came off ok, there were some characters that were fine. I’m not sure that I agree with you about the goddess of the moon or whatever it was I was playing, er that was, I think, one of the most impossible moments in the history of television. Patrick and myself with masks on, he was ‘the god of the sun’ and I was ‘the goddess of the moon’, and er, we

It was the other way round.

Eh? Was it was the other way around? I was the sun and he was the moon? Now you tell us! We could barely get through that, really, I don’t think there was a single moment in the entire series that we had as much trouble getting through, because we couldn’t look at each other, we died laughing, you know, those masks were so silly, and Patrick started it, and I had to do some speech as the goddess of the sun or whatever I was, and er Patrick was off camera and he was laughing, and not just kind of contained laughter, he was shaking! and I said, ‘Patrick, have you seen what you look like? You look as ridiculous as I do!’ and he admits, he says it is utterly preposterous, but the crew was furious with both of us because it was one of those late, late late nights, and we were there until three in the morning trying to finish that show, that was the last scene we shot, and er, we couldn’t stop laughing at three o clock in the morning - the crew wanted to kill us, they wanted to get through it and get out of there and we couldn’t get through a single laugh, but the rest of it was alright. Hi.

Hi. Two of your co-stars have written novels. Do you have any ambitions to put pen to paper?

Yes.

When.

Now. I actually recently spoke to some publishers who called me and said would you write something for us, and er, I don't know what the scoop is on writing novels, y’know? ** come on! ** and they said ** and when they first approach you, let me say * they approach you first and ask you if they can just have your name, ‘We’ll buy your name, and then we’ll assign somebody else to write it and then put your name on it and then ** ‘, and er, some publishers called me - some very good publishers actually, and they said, ‘Could we buy your name?’ basically, and I said, ‘You know, I’m really not interested in doing that, but if you want I'll write something’, and they said, ‘OK, if you want to write that’ll be fine,’ all right, so I er met with them and they said - er I said ‘What exactly do you want?’, and they said ‘Well, would you write your memoirs?’ and - my memoirs, you know - I’ve led such a fascinating life everybody’s gonna want to read that, so I said ‘Not really, I think it’s a little early to write my memoirs, but if you want, I’ll write my memoirs but it’ll be fictional, and I'll write the story of my life and it’ll be trivial but it’ll be fascinating, and er, they said, ‘Well, that’s an interesting idea,’ and I said, ‘Or, I’ve this novel I’d like to write, and I told them the story and they liked it, and so basically what’s going to happen is after this play opens in August I’m gonna write twenty pages for them to see if they think I can do it - and I need to see if I can really do it - and if I can then I’ll finish it.

I look forward to reading it.

Thank you, I look forward to you buying it! Thanks. Hallo?

Hi Brent.

Hi.

In A Fistful of Datas, who taught you to be a gunslinger?

Who taught me, did you say? Er, nobody, actually I'd been a gunslinger before, in a previous life I was a - er, no actually, I worked as a gunfighter, one of the first jobs I ever had, in Texas where I grew up, was in an amusement park called Astroworld, and Astro - its a kind of poor man’s Disneyland, but its big, its an interesting place, but I was a year there in the park, I got a job there, actually, there were several people, I started out as a gunfighter, they had staged gunfights in the western town, and er I was a gunfighter, in that same summer, Randy Quaid was a clown, Dennis Quaid sold Coco Colas, er it was a stellar year actually, but it was the summer of ‘68, and er um right in the middle of the season, the summer season, Robert Kennedy was assasinated and the people who ran the park thought it would be a really good gesture to take the guns away from everybody, and make a political statement that ‘We won’t have guns here in Astroworld’, which was a good idea, except that they still had a shooting gallery for a quarter a shot, and um but I did, I worked as a gunfighter all summer and learned to twirl and er it was four actors and three real cowboys, so they took the applause, and so by the time we did A Fistful of Datas I was more than ready to draw the gun. Hi!

Hallo, Brent. Please don’t move to Blackpool, move to Dundee!

Well, you know, I was thinking of dividing my time between Blackpool and Dundee!

I’d just like to ask, do you want Deep Space Nine and Voyager, and if you do, do you enjoy them?

Er, what are Deep Space Nine and Voyager? I’ve heard about them. Is that what ** is in? Nah, I'm kidding! I don't watch them; I did see the pilot episodes of both shows, and thought they were terrific, and I know a lot of the actors on both the shows and admire all of them, I have known some of them long before they did either show. Rene Auberjonois in Big River on Broadway, and er who else do I know, er Armin Shimerman for a number of years, Kate Mulgrew and ah er Bob Carter for a number of years, er and, I just don’t watch the show, and it’s not for any reason other than er I didn’t watch our show, er I didn’t watch Next Generation, I saw maybe twenty, twenty-five episodes of Next Generation in the first season and a half, and then I stopped watching, I figured - it seemed redundant to me, I spent so much time with Star Trek reading scripts then acting them it just, you know, seemed redundant to sit down in front of a television and watch them, and I just think there are so many things I want to watch as well as Star Trek, but I am saving 150 or so episodes of Next Generation I haven't seen for, you know, my later years when I get really more out of it **

Thank you

Thank you. Hi.

Hi, Brent. Can I just say **

Thank you so much.

Can I ask you, I keep reading you’re a movie buff.

Yes.

What sort of movies do you like?

Well, you know what, I like old movies. ** I really am a big silent movie fan, um particularly comics obviously, I don't think the dramas work quite as well, some do, but I don't think there's ever been anything comparable to silent comedy, I really do, Chaplin and Keaton have never been touched in sound film but I really am interested in the history of film and um I'm familiar with it, so I just watch whatever's on two or three or four or five times. Hey!

Hallo, Mr Spiner, before I ask a question, would you be so kind and say a few of the words from The Freak Show?

The Freak Show? The Freak Show? The Freak Show, and then said?

And then I laughed.

Eh?

And then I laughed.

Er..

Ah, you didn't watch that. ** you can get it on the radio right now, Oh, you do. ** Think the version you have doesn’t have me laughing. ** The Freak Show.

You are asked so many questions, do you have any questions that you would like to ask us?

Um, just you. No. You know, that's a good question, actually, there are many questions I'd like to ask. Um, many questions I'd like to ask you actually, but, I think it's intrusive, I always prefer to have the mystery of you.

What?!

Sometimes when you get to know somebody, by asking them questions for, you know, finding out more about them, you're disappointed that they’re not who you think they are, or, you know, a lot of people when I was first doing the show, I would meet people in the street, who thought I was, and they were fans of the show, er they assumed that I was Data, and that I was just like Data, and they couldn’t help but be disappointed, because I'm nowhere near as interesting as Data, or as kind, or good, or anything as Data is, and so I always found it's better to retain that mystery, um, although I'm revealing a little bit too much here today, ah, I do think mystery serves you as an actor and as a human being, and so ** and so I would retain that mystery of you.

I don't think there's any mystery about me.

Yes there is! You are a mysterous creature, fascinating and mysterous.

Well, thank you very much, Brent.

Yep. And don't forget it. OK. Hallo.

Hi, Brent.

Hi!

I was wondering, when you started filming TNG, with a new cast in an all new show, how did it feel to compare it with **

You know, I wasn't that familiar with it, with what was happening, er, I just thought I was after a job and um, it was a really interesting character, um, I wasn't really sure about all the other stuff that went on with it, um, and truthfully I didn't feel that much pressure because I didn't think that we'd accomplished it. ** I thought there's only one Star Trek, we can't do another Star Trek, er, it’s a bad idea, we’ll be gone in a year, and I will pay off my bills, and um, here I am today, and we are probably going to do another movie in March, and so I think, Star Trek is a phenomema, I think it will never, ever, go away. I think there will be Star Trek for the rest of time. I really don't see any reason for it to go away unless there's a lack of imagination, because generally all that has to happen is the writers have to just stay one step ahead of technology, and Star Trek will always be interesting, always have some interesting stories to tell. Gene Roddenberry used to say that the original series er, don't remember exactly what the percentage was, but he thought they had explored something like eleven per cent of the universe er which left a great deal of the universe yet to explore, um he said that if all the stories that exist in the universe that we haven't gotten to yet. And I think that is essentially why Star Trek is the greatest format of any television series ever created. I think Gene Roddenberry truly was a genious and I think that he came up with greatest format that's ever been created, and um I’m just glad that I had something to do with it. Hey!

Hi.

Hi.

I've got a very small question for you, and a really small gift for you. Question first is, have you read any really good books that you think would make a fantastic film? If so, which one

Hmm. Have I read any books that would make a fantastic film? The only one I can think of is this one that I'm writing myself! It would make a fantastic film, and I know just the guy to be in it - and that's all.

Can I come up?

Yes, please. (Two people want to talk to him at the same time.) Don't go away. (to one of them) Hallo! (to the other)

Hallo, Brent.

Hallo.

I represent a company backed by The Prince's Trust Charity and wondered if I may make your presentation.

Oh, yes, yes, you may. Hang on a second, let me get a look at this and we'll see what this kind person here. (The woman has reached the stage now.) A stick of Blackpool rock! (It is very hard candy shaped like a stick, many seaside towns have their own rock with the name of the town running right through it.) Wow, this is a real Blackpool rock, and you can eat it, too. Can you eat all the rock in Blackpool? I know you can drink the water. Thank you so much. I'll keep this close to me. Thank you. Where's that gentleman? Yes, he's coming up, is that OK? (to the security staff) Is it OK to ** (to the staff) (People are calling out various things to him.) He's not what he says he is? Security! (waving at them to show he is joking). Hi! How're you doing?

(We couldn’t hear what the man said.) Never mind, never mind. This is all for The Prince's Trust? Six dollar coins? Can I spend them?

You can if you’re in Liberia.

Liberia! I’m going from here to Liberia, and I’m a little short of change! Well, thank you, that's very nice of you, thank you. Well, those are great, thank you. I understand somehow er this thing that Prince Charles was at

He did the film premiere, and we couldn’t **

Because he took it all - I know a lot of people who’ve said that! Thank you so much, that’s so kind of you, thank you. Oh, I see. Yeah, they told me about this,these people tried to give us these coins, these Liberian coins and er somehow Prince Charles wound up with them and they actually had to go to him and say, I’m sorry, we want these back! and he said ‘That’s what I think.’ Thank you. Hi!

Hi. Would you like to play the role of a human or do you want to play the role of Data?

I’m sorry, say it a little slower. (He says it really fast!)

Pardon?

I think you’ve just found out I’m Patrick! Would you repeat the question?

Would you like to play the role of a human, or did you want to play the role of Data?

Umm, d’you know what, I read the script, the pilot script originally, and I said, er and my agent sent me the script and said ‘Look and see if there’s a part you wanna play in this,’ and I said ‘I like this part of Data, I think Data can be - could turn out to be a really interesting character,’ so when I went to the audition, I was sitting waiting to audition, and er the casting agent, Junie Lowrie came out, and she said, ‘Listen, what do you think about playing Riker?’ and I said ‘I don’t wanna play Riker’, and she said ‘Well they’re gonna wanna hear you play Riker’, and I said, ‘Well, I'm gonna leave, and she said, ‘Oh, don't leave’, and I said ‘Yeah, I really don’t wanna do that’. So, anyway they cast Riker, and obviously Jonathan is much more of a Riker than I am even if he hadn’t played Riker, even if I had played Riker, Jonathan’s more of a Riker, but, no, I always wanted to play Data, I think he’s a more interesting character.

Right, thanks.

Thanks.

Hi, Brent. A couple of years ago I met Denise Crosby in Bristol,

Uh huh.

and I asked her about Tasha's relationship with Data.

Yeah.

And she said that Data was fully functional but she also said he had three speeds.

True!

Can you tell us what the three speeds are?

Cheeky girl, Denise! Er, yeah, well, ** it sort of goes like UUMMM, UUMMM, UMMMMMM! It’s very difficult to hear the third speed 'cos there's usually screaming accompanying it! Yes?

Did you enjoy doing Live and Kicking with Marina?

What?

Did you enjoy Live and Kicking with Marina?

Did I enjoy doing what with Marina? UUMMM - doing what?

Doing Live and Kicking. (audience yells LIVE AND KICKING!)

Oh, Live and Kicking! Oh! It was the thrill of my life! It really was, I had no idea what I was getting myself into. They woke us up and said ‘Will you go and do this television show this morning - actually, I thought it was going to be really funny, er they were great, er the drag - the pull - was Phil Collins. Er, Phil Collins, he was ** but er Marina couldn't have been more thrilled because Phil Collins was there, and er his sister is a huge Star Trek fan, - Phil Collins’ sister I mean, I’ve received mail from her - a really nice person, and she said to me, um, that, you know, she told Phil - I don’t know what happened that day - she said she told Phil to say Hallo to us, and I actually, I er I went up to Phil, I said ‘Ah, Phil Collins, so nice to meet you’, and he was going, (mumble mumble) - he didn’t have a clue who we were, but I had a great time with Live and Kicking, that was real fun. Yeah? Wasn’t as fun of course as being on the lottery with the Spice Girls! UUMMM.

Hi, Brent.

Hi.

What was it like working with Leonard Nimoy?

It was wonderful. Leonard’s a wonderful guy. I’ve worked with him a couple of times er, we did a radio show, The War of the Worlds, John de Lancie directed it ** and I worked on it, he’s a wonderful guy, very bright and fun to work with, and er I really enjoyed it, ** from the original series that I have had the opportunity to work with, particularly Leonard, and of course Kelly, who happens to be the nicest man in the world. That’s rare. Hi!

How are you, Brent.

Good!

What was - (We couldn’t hear this.)

What does what mean

What was it like to work with Colm Meany?

A dream come true! Oh, Colm, I love him, Colm Meany’s a great actor, I wish he was still with us, I mean I wish they would get - I mean they get Worf to come over and do the movies now that he’s on Deep Space Nine, I don’t know why they can’t bring O’Brien over, but I love Colm Meany, I really think he’s enormously gifted human being and an excellent guy.

Thank you, Brent.

Yeah!

Hi, Brent.

Hey!

I’d just like to say first of all, you’re a brilliant actor, **

** ** Spice girls! Basically, the Spice Girls. I like the Spice Girls’ first album, er I like Best of the Spice Girls, um Spice Girls Return is one of my favourites. Er, no, I’m a bit of a real bore as far as music is concerned, I just like opera and er classical music and I listen to a lot of, you know, ** Sinatra, and I listen to really old old music.

Do you like to Billie Joel at all?

Do I like what? Billie Joel? Oh, yeah. The man himself, he’s great. Thanks. Hallo? Hallo!

Hi, Brent.

Hi.

Do the TNG cast socialise off the set?

Yup. Er, he said off the set, right? Um, 'cos we never spoke on the set! Yeah, well actually we are very good friends, ** I don’t know. When you work that hard and that long with a group of people, and we got along very, very well for seven years of the series, er we really became a family of sorts and er you know I'm really close to all of them, they are my best friends, I mean, on the level, but we really did become a family and I mean I was best man at Levar's wedding, Gates’s son Jack is my godson, last weekend I had dinner with Patrick and Levar on my lawn. We see each other all the time, um, but like any family, er we are also dysfunctional, and er, so we have our tiffs and things but we are really good friends. Thanks. Hallo!

Hello, Brent, I've come all the way from New York and I just want to let you know that in New York we are really, really pleased you HAVE to spend six months there. (She is reminding him what he said yesterday.) I also brought you gifts from all of the staff at the Queens Borough Public Library in New York to welcome you back to Broadway and back to New York, but they took it from me.

They took it from you? You will give it to me? That's what they always say! Thank you, Nah! I know. ** Thank you so much. I am really looking forward to being in New York I mean, I know I said that I can't imagine spending six months in New York but I am looking forward to it.

We have confounded the box office at the Roundabout; they're wondering why so many people from out of state are calling for this play.

Is that right?

Yes. they didn't know who you were though.(Collapse of audience)

The Roundabout - they hired me! They didn't know who I am?

I called the box office to find out whether you were actually going to be playing John Adams and the woman said,"Well, who do you think is playing it" and I said, "Brent Spiner" and she said ‘Who?’ she said ‘Wait, I’ll check,’ and then she said ‘Yeah, it’s a man named Spiner’.

Did she happen to tell you who is playing Benjamin Franklin?

No. We were worried that was going to be your part.

No, I am John Adams and it is true they hardly know anything about me. They think they hired some, you know, newcomer, uh, who they liked, but you know that makes me feel good that they didn't give me the part, uh, because of any you know any public persona or anything but I auditioned and I got the part.

Do you know about the Celebrity Series, two special performances where the actors come out and talk to the audience afterwards?

Oh, really?

Yeah, there are two of them.

Two of them?

Several people from out of state are buying the whole series just so they can be at that one performance, so the people at the box office are a little confounded, they're not sure exactly what they're getting into.

You know what, if they find out there's money in it they'll probably have about ten of those performances. But I hadn't heard anything about that, absolutely nothing, but that's fine with me, uh...

It's August 9th and September 6th!

August 9th and September 6th? You know, ironically, those are two of the days I've asked to be off but I'm sure my understudy will be fantastic! Actually,I'm very comfortable with that because I'm not unaccustomed to speaking to people out of character. But I'm looking forward to it and I'm glad you are too.

Oh, I can't wait.

Thanks so much and when I come out the stage door, even if you thought I was terrible, tell me I was good, OK?

Will you sign an autograph at the stage door?

Nah! Of course, I will.

Promise?

Yeah, I do

I'll be there

Well, be wearing that teeshirt OK? (OYE teeshirt)

I'll be wearing this teeshirt and I'll be there, August 9th.

OK, I'll see you then. Bye bye. OK, I’m gonna have to leave now - (audience yells ‘NO!’) I’m just going back to my house! I wanna tell you one story before I go, OK.

(Brent acts this whole thing out - wonderful mime, you really could see him, Patrick, and everyone else on the set, whilst looking at him! We got some amazing moments - particularly when he appeared to be “hanging” in the air - this was so convincing it was difficult to believe he was still standing on the stage.)

This is about First Contact, and I’m sure you ought to know this before the videos of First Contact come out so you can see it for yourselves. There was a scene in First Contact where er Captain Picard and Data were up on a platform ** it’s really in the film, and we actually in a missile silo, ** while we were shooting that scene, and we were way 100 feet in the air on this grid and I er hated that because I'm terrified of heights, I really am, I mean, I have trouble looking down here (he is about 3 feet above us) and so I am always being asked on Star Trek to be high up in the air on something, and here we are a hundred feet on a platform and I was in panic mode, absolute panic mode, and Patrick has no fear whatsoever of heights, he loves it, and so he would go right up to the edge. I couldn’t stand it, I couldn’t stand even seeing him doing that, and I was just glad that I had some lines to say so I had something else to think about other than ‘fear’, and it wasn’t so much that I was afraid I was gonna fall, I was afraid I was gonna push Patrick! (He is miming Patrick with his back turned looking over the edge, and himself trying to keep away from him, but being drawn nearer to give him a shove.) ** you know, can’t help himself, and there’d be an enquiry, you know, and Spiner, er, Data kills Picard, and can’t help himself! and you know, I just wanted to go (a sneaking, shoving movement with his arm whilst the rest of his body is turned away as if it has nothing to do with it) and I love Patrick, I really do, I adore Patrick, but it's dangerous, it happened to me once before. Anyway, Iam terrified of heights.

To make a long story short, what happens is, suddenly Lily is shooting at us, and I say to Picard ‘I will deal with this’, and he says ‘OK’, and I jump a hundred feet and land on my feet, and er there was a stunt man who invented this apparatus called Descender, where you can actually stop off that platform and go a hundred feet through the air to the ground and slow down right before he hit the ground and land on his feet, and he insisted, the man who invented it, that he must be the one to do it. I do have a stunt double who works on the show occasionally, he is brilliant - he looks even more like me than my doppleganger, but er so he did the shot, and he did that descent, and they shot him from several angles and the next day they got the film back and they looked at it and it clearly was not me - he was a completely different shape and size, and he just looked nothing like me even though he was wearing the same clothes and he was made up as Data. It was so apparent that it was not me.

So somewhere - and no one told me this - and somewhere about two weeks before we finished doing the film, Jonathan Frakes, who was directing the picture, walked up to me and he said, ‘I have a favour to ask you’, and I said ‘What?’ and he said ‘Well we got this film back and we looked at the jump, but it doesn’t look like you, you’re gonna have to do it.’ I mean, I couldn’t even get close to the edge, you know, much less jump, so he said ‘We’re not going back to Arizona to do it, 'cos we were back on the sound stage, we’re gonna do it on the sound stage’. He said, ‘What we’re gonna do is put you on a wire and hang you from the top of the sound stage and drop you from there.’ And er the sound stage, oh, it's considerably higher than this (the hall we were in) isn't it? It's at least sixty feet, um so because Jonathan's my friend and he was directing, I didn't have a choice so I said, ‘OK, I'll do it’ and so I went on the some stage and they hooked me up in this harness, put the wire on me, and the whole crew was there waiting for this moment because they knew how terrified I was and really it was a horrible thing and I really was in a panic, so they said ‘Let's take you up two feet just so you know what it feels like, before we take you all the way up’ and I said ‘OK’, so they took me up two feet ("hanging" in the air - looked very good, obviously Brent's mime training come in here) and I'm hanging there two feet in the air, and they said ‘How does that feel?’ and I said ‘I hate this, get me down’, really, I was terrified at two feet, and er so they brought me down. And they said, ‘OK, look, we're gonna take you up to 20 feet now just so you can feel that’, and I said, ‘I'll tell you what’, there were two cameras, and I said, ‘Just roll the cameras, take me to the top - let’s do this and get it over with’, and they said ‘OK’. So they took me up to the ceiling, and I am hanging on the ceiling and I'm really doing this (balancing on his toes like he is on “points”, leaning over) you know, which isn't a good thing for the shot so they had a guy on a catwalk with a long pole, really! and he straightened me out (mimes being prodded with the pole) and I tripped, and Jonathan yelled ‘Action’ and they dropped me, and it came off without a hitch, and it was really a piece of cake, and I said ‘Right,’ and Jonathan came over and said, ‘That was so great, can you do it again? ’Anyway, I just wanted you to know, if you get the videos of First Contact, and you see that jump, I want you to slow that sequence down because you will see the terrified look on my face, and you’ll know it’s really me. (They have been motioning that his time was up.) Thank you all so much.